Friday, January 19, 2007

Jesus: To Be Or Not To Be

I guess this is a long time coming, because I feel compelled to write about it.

I've noticed in many, many places that are gnostic-oriented that the existence of a physical Jesus is hotly debated, and more times than not, usually considered to be false. While all of these forums allow you a freedom to believe whichever you're most comfortable with, it feels like the "endorsed" message is that there was no physical Jesus.

Let me say: this post is not intended to debate the existence of Jesus.

I'm feeling a growing concern, however, that this message is being used far too much to be of any effectiveness. I stand behind and encourage creative thought and exploration, and this is certainly a subject that is both valid and neccesary to pursue in order to find roots and meanings behind esoteric messages and myths. But the Jesus myth as it exists today is an important bridge for those entering into a more spiritual form of Christianity: Gnositicism.

I caution those that are so quick to extend their opinions on the existence of a physical Jesus, because I believe it is out of personal spite that this subject is usually explored; a way to rebel against the establishment - the big "THEM" that is already called "Christianity."

I have always viewed Gnosticism as a very esoteric, meaningful, spiritual, and unique part of a movement that has often been called "Christianity" (though there are differences). Many people who seem to "cuddle" with Gnosticism can do so because it allows them the luxury of exploring their deeper spiritual needs, and yet not abandon completely the childhood religion that they've grown up with. To this end, the importance of having a common tie between the two is very defined. The myth of Jesus is an important bridge for people to cross from the Christianity of old into Gnosticism.

For the gnostic, I believe it would be very detrimental to the movement to automatically discount the existence of a physical Jesus because it would thereby sever the tie with the curious Christian, and perhaps might make that particular seeker retreat back into his/her own particular form of error. The thought of "no Jesus" for someone trying to pursue an esoteric religion that they have little knowledge of might just be enough for someone who has grown around the idea of a physical Jesus to take two steps back from their own spiritual progress.

In no way do I dispute that this is a valid topic to bring to people's attention, and we should always explore the route to knowledge wherever that leads us. But we must also, as gnostics, understand that accepting a defined "position" on this particular subject could not only hurt the growth and developement of the gnostic movement, but it can also affect the seeker that is on the path to their own particular gnosis. Too many times have I seen those in a "priestly" role outright declare that there "is no physical Jesus" because of a lack of physical evidence. This is a position that, in my opinion, should be avoided if one is honor-bound to assist the spiritual seeker attain gnosis.

Jesus has become an icon in the spiritual world. One can believe in a physical, spiritual, mythological, or allegorical Jesus; but one must conclude that none of these can be advertised exclusively be a body of spiritual seekers on a quest to expand both our minds and the minds of those willing to listen.

Besides, I hear Jesus was a cool guy.

5 Comments:

At 6:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peace,

Some thoughts to add to your own:

To me, Jesus is like 'Paris, France': you don't need to have gone to the physical place to know it's influence.

Does Paris exist? I dunno, I have never been there.

But I can get french wine, coffee, food, art, music and language any time I need to access it.

So, for me, I do not focus on whether or not a physical Paris exists. Nor on a whether or not a physical Jesus existed in the past; His influence is everywhere.

Does it really matter? Does it matter to you if *I* exist, or if I am merely typewritten words on a virtual page?

But if my words provoke thought and lead to an increase in wisdom, then that is what matters, as it creates change within..hah hah - or not!

:)

Ken, Calgary
Adding my prayers for your upcoming fatherhood..

 
At 1:38 PM, Blogger Sophia Sadek said...

Thanks for the posting.

In our school, we make a distinction between Jesus and the role he played, according to legend. There is far too much cultural evidence of the existence of other people who behaved in a way Jesus is described to have behaved to simply discount his physical existence. In other words, it is quite likely that he did exist.

The role that he played had been performed by others in the past. This is where things get dicey. Erasmus, for example, points out that the pagan philosophers taught the same things that Jesus taught. He counseled people to credit Jesus with pagan philosophy, rather than the other way around.

The role of "Christ" has been repeated generation after generation. Its performance is not limited to Jesus. This is where we disagree with the orthodox. The orthodox contend that only Jesus can perform the role. All those other Christs that the Church burned at the stake were mere illusions.

 
At 3:39 PM, Blogger Joe Daher said...

My entire line of reason always falls within this context:

If a person believes the story as completely literal, and receives from it no grace, then this person has lost out on the point of the story.

If a person believes the story is completely fictional, yet is able to understand more thoroughly about the mysteries, then that person carries with him gold.

I think people focus too much on the historicty of it, and not enough on the philosophy of it.

 
At 3:43 PM, Blogger Shawn™ said...

You are correct in your assertion that this is a contentious issue as is Ken+ in saying that ultimately it doesn't matter.

Part of me has a problem, however, with your assertion that Jesus as myth is a doctrine or notion that must be hidden from the uninitiated. The part of me finds this natural considering that we both partake in an esoteric initiatory tradition.

In fact, I guess it is the "dumb it down for the masses" program that dissolved the spiritual heart of Christianity in the first place, creating the modern literal Christianism that we have to deal with.

Jesus as person or myth is not something that I will take a stance on when asked, because you are right, if someone is not ready to hear it, they will declare you a looney and be on there way.

But between you and me, I don't think there was a Jesus. ;) Maybe some day I'll know for sure!

lol

 
At 1:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Genesis to Revelation, it is all Jesus - the Way and the Truth and the Life.
You dont see Him with the eyes or hear Him with the ears - but with the heart only can He be found and found to be True.
It was He who spoke into my heart.
But you must listen carefully.
Perhaps if you dont hear Him speak when you read His words, then it's because it's not the words you (or your life) wants to hear - perhaps.
Remember how the story goes - He has died that you might be made free, free from sin and death and Hell.
May the peace of God rule in your hearts.

 

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